**Don't read the following unless you're a complete beginner**(but if you're experienced and want to correct any mistakes in the following, please read and comment! It would be much appreciated)
So after 4 visits to TR I thought I'd write a bit about what I've learned. This is very basic stuff, but for a beginner with his pockets full of money in a club filled with hot, scantily-clad women grinding on your groin to salsa rhythms the basic stuff can easily be forgotten. None of what I'm going to write is original and you can find every single piece of info scattered around the forum, I'm just summing up some of the mistakes I made and elaborated a bit. It's also quite long, verbose, and boring, but please trust me. If you're new to this and have a bit too much money to spend but doesn't like to just throw it away you should read this. I didn't do enough homework before going to TR so I paid some money to learn it the hard way.
1. Just walk way!(if you're going to read and follow this, please read it all carefully, especially the part in the end of part 1.)
This seems to be the most important thing I learned in my short time in Lima.
So you've found a hot chick, you've talked to her for 15 minutes without listening to what she was saying because you were thinking about all the nasty stuff you wanted to do to her in the hotel. You agree on price, time, and services, buy her a drink and when she's done with that you're about to leave. She asks you for 20 soles for the wardrobe or some bullshit. Walk away. It sounds easy but it really isn't, because in your mind you're already fucking her, and why should a measly 20 soles stop you from doing that? After all it's 0nly 7 bucks! But just say "No gracias" and walk away". In my meager experience, chances are that it's not going to be the last money she asks for, and personally I feel like a sucker if I just keep on forking over money in excess of what we agreed on. And feeling like a sucker kills the mood for me.
The list of bullshit expenses she'll claim is probably longer than I can imagine, but, in general, if she tries to make you pay her expenses for weird stuff after you have agreed on a price just walk away. That includes urging you to tip the doorman in TR, overpaying for the taxi to the hotel or if she wants an unreasonable amount of money for her taxi home and so on. If she's not on your side from the get go it's time to walk away.
You can walk away at absolutely any point(though you might have to pay anyway) - in the middle of the taxi ride to the hotel, in the hotel lobby, in the hotel room. It might cause some trouble, and you'll probably have to pay at least some sort of compensation for her time if you walk away really late in the process. I'm not sure when the exact cut-off for when you can walk away without paying is, but I'd assume that it would 0nly cause minor problems if you walk before you've taken off your clothes in the hotel room. Obviously if you fucked her for an hour and she comes up with some bullshit I would just pay the price we agreed on and then leave. This should be a rare occurrence, but the less experienced you are, the more frequent it will be.
I had a girl agree on 200 soles for 2 hours(rest of the night until 6AM), and after one hour she said there was 0nly a half hour left, and that she wanted more money to suck my dick again. I just gave her her 200 soles and left. I could obviously have stayed for the remaining half hour and finished if I wanted to, since she at least agreed that we had half an hour left, but I didn't feel like wasting any more time. It's noteworthy that she had tried to make me pay for some bullshit earlier in the evening which I denied paying, and I should have walked away at that point and saved my 200 soles + taxi + room. Lesson learned!
On the other end of the spectrum, the last girl I took out from TR grabbed my hand and pulled me up the stairs when the doormen started asking for tips, pulled me away from the taxistas outside TR, and spent a good while negotiating the taxi to the hotel and thus saved me a couple of soles. She asked for the cheapest room in the hotel and when I asked her if she wanted something to drink she said we could just share one bottle of water because she wasn't that thirsty.
In general, I think that if you're not easily shamed and thus can handle a heated argument with a hooker in broad daylight, then you can walk away at pretty much any time. It's going to save you a lot of money and a lot of time if you decide to not accept their bullshit and walk away before you get anywhere with the girl.
Though, I would worry about my well-being and safety before I start picking fights over 200 soles. If the girl feels like you cheated her it might get nasty which I would probably just avoid by paying.
*DISCLAIMER*
I don't have all that much experience walking away at various points of the process, so it'd be nice if a more experienced forum member could chime in on this one. I wouldn't want someone to follow my suggestion and put himself in some sort of danger. If someone contributes something about this specific subject I'd be happy to edit out any mistakes I made here.
2. Refusing company in TR.
I'm not completely sure about all of part 2 and 3, since I need way more experience, but here goes.
For starters, like everyone else says, just say "no gracias" to any girl walking up to you in the club. This should be rule number one really, but it's so easy to do unless you're a complete moron(or like old, fat women) because the 0nly girls that have ever approached me without me initiating the contact have been old, fat, and ugly. It also makes sense that the really hot girls and the best providers don't need to approach you since they get plenty of action from all the other guys in the club.
So outright walk-ups equals an instant "no gracias". To be sure, personally I just reject anyone that initiates contact in any way, that includes girls who take a seat next to me in the bar, girls who walk up in front of me and start dancing and so on, but this is mainly because I'm unsure about the normal practice in TR. The girls obviously need to show that they're actually in the club and available for a chat, so hiding in a dark corner won't do them any good. So I guess I need to figure out what indicates a pushy girl and just a girl advertising her presence in general. There seems to be a somewhat fine line between the two, and I'm nowhere near experienced enough to figure it out.
3. Picking the right girl.
So now you've found a girl you like, you walked up to her and asked her to come sit with you somewhere, she asked for a drink which you denied, while explaining that you want to get to know her a little better before buying her a drink. You start negotiating and you cant come to terms with her, so you end up saying "No gracias". If she's really persistent and keeps coming back to you that's probably not a good sign. I have a feeling that the more persistent she is, the less demand she is in. And there must be a reason that she's in low demand. I'm also pretty sure that the more persistent she is, the more hardened she is. That's not neccesarily a bad thing, since experience can be good depending on what you're looking for, but I guess that if she's a hardened pro, she probably knows a few tricks and might not be hessitant to apply them to get more money out of you, leading to a bad experience. So I would stand by my initial rejection and just let it go. After all, there are plenty of girls in the club, so I wouldn't get too caught up in just one.
I've met the same girl in TR three times now. The first time we spent a while negotiating but she wouldn't budge all that much, so we couldn't agree on a price. Even though we got nowhere with the negotiation she kept hanging around, and the other two nights she came up and said hello and tried to negotiate again. I still want to fuck her, but by now I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't because she's so persistent and really trying to do the hard-sell. She even argued that she was a very economic choice which gave me a good laugh.
I also personally think you should stay away from bullshitters. That's just my opinion and some people might like being told how interesting they are, how great their stumbling Spanish is, how guapo they are, how well they dance, how much she wants to get to know them and so on. I don't, because it's obviously bullshit, so I just laugh and tell them that it's mentiras. After all I wouldn't buy anything from someone who's bullshitting that much, so why would I "buy" a girl that's bullshitting?
If you like to play the game and like the illusion that the girl picked you over all the other guys because she feels some sort of connection with you, then by all means, go ahead and play the game. I think it fucks up the inherent power struggle if you just go along with it, and opens you up to being a potential target for the hustle.
I suppose you can find a balance where you're still completely in charge of what's going on while playing the game. I can't, so I just call them out on their bullshit in a polite and humorous way, which have been working fine. After all, you don't need bullshit to have a nice time with a girl if you and her are both able to converse like normal people.
As a final note on this: I can 0nly offer these few pointers on how to pick the right girl but this is in no way an exhausting method. I guess experience will make it easier, but I talked to some US tourist who'd been there and other similar places and he said that even after a bunch of years it wasn't exactly easy to find the perfect girl. Weeding out the bad ones gets easier considerably faster though - at least in my experience.
4. Be a gentleman.
In the language help-section of this forum I found a thread where someone asked for phrases to use when talking to the girls. I can't remember which one but if your Spanish is weak, go find it - it's very useful.
I have no clue why a bunch of hot girls that have a ton of guys drooling over them would need confirmation that they are in fact pretty darn hot, but I guess women will be women. And after all, when you say "Que bonito trasero tienes!" you actually mean it, and I suppose any person, man or woman, likes sincere compliments.
My first time in TR didn't go all that well, but after reading up on compliments and polite phrases it went much better, so just do it. The guys who wrote that you need to be a true gentleman when dealing with the chicas are 100% right.
To be honest I'm still amazed of just how much it helped telling that one girl that I wanted to talk to her because she was the most beautiful girl in the club.
5. Don't be an asshole.
Almost enough said I guess. I've seen some guys in TR, both gringos and Peruanos, treat the girls like shit. That's just stupid and ruins it for everyone else. I know you got the money and can pick and choose between all those fine girls, but even the ugly one deserves a polite rejection. She'll take the hint and leave you alone, so there's no point in insulting her to make her go away. Pretty basic stuff I guess.
6. Speak Spanish
As a beginner I wouldn't go near that place if I couldn't get by in Spanish or had someone with me who speaks Spanish. I haven't talked to a single girl in there that spoke more than a few words of English, not even the one that claimed to study English(!), so you'll have a hard time if you don't speak at least passable Spanish. I'm sure a more experienced monger could navigate the place with no Spanish, but for a beginner I would suggest you go elsewhere.
You'll have no problem finding a girl, agreeing on a price, and then leave with her, but from experience I know how difficult it is to resolve any disagreements if you don't speak Spanish and how easy disagreements or misunderstandings can happen if you can't communicate, so I'd rather just go somewhere where the terms of what's going to happen is clearer and better policed.
I've seen some people suggest just writing stuff down like xxx soles, x horas and so on to avoid any confusion later, and that'll probably go a long way to negate your poor Spanish skills, but alas, that stuff is not for me.
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Allright, that's it. If you made it this far, be aware that this is 0nly meant as a sort of quick guide to avoiding some of the biggest mistakes a beginner can make in a place like TR. It can in no way replace all the amazing advice given in this and other forums about mongering in Peru.
